Minutes, IBIS Quality Committee 21 August 2012 11:00-12:00 EST (08:00-09:00 PST) ROLL CALL Cisco Systems: Tony Penaloza Ericsson: Anders Ekholm Green Streak Programs: Lynne Green Huawei Technologies: Guan Tao IBM: Bruce Archambeault Greg Edlund IOMethodology: Lance Wang Mentor Graphics: John Angulo Micron Technology: Moshiul Haque, Randy Wolff Nokia Siemens Networks: * Eckhard Lenski QLogic Corp.: James Zhou Signal Consulting Group: Tim Coyle Signal Integrity Software * Mike LaBonte Teraspeed Consulting Group: * Bob Ross Texas Instruments: Pavani Jella Everyone in attendance marked by * NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. -----------------------MINUTES --------------------------- Mike LaBonte conducted the meeting. Call for opens and IBIS related patent disclosures: - None AR Review: - Mike ask Lance if he can repeat his correlation presentation - Done - Lance has agreed, but can not join us today - Mike check on IEEE FSV status - No reply yet from Bruce Archambeault - Bob: It is not very useful to us - The tool doesn't work well - The bucketing is arbitrary - It is hard to relate numeric results to the visual - It is not for us to promote FSV or create tools for it - Vendors might do this, and they will promote it - We agreed to consider this AR closed - Mike ask Anders about his level of interest in External Test - Anders is interested but his time is very limited New items: Mike: Our expressed priorities: - Mike: Correlation is high on my list - Eckhard has said the AMI checklist is important - Anders is interested in external test - Bob: Lance also likes external test - I also like the checklist Bob described IBIS parser changes: - Bob: There are now at least 30 parser test cases - Most of the changes are in AMI - IBIS 5.1 is not yet voted, but the parser is mostly ready - Mike: Will there be another 5.0 parser? - Bob: No - We will handle deprecation more rigorously from now on - For 5.1 (AMI_Version x) is required and must be first - There are no 5.1 models yet - Omitting AMI_version implies a IBIS 5.0 model - Mike: Older tools should be able to ignore (AMI_version 5.0) - Bob: The parser will call that an error - BUG 131 will be fixed - This is about Table type in Reserved_Parameters - The bug report itself has an error - There are some rules about order of items - AMI_version has to be first - Mike: There should be no order requirements for AMI syntax - Bob: Also Reserved_Parameters has to be first in 5.1 - Mike: It's easy to read in LISP-like files and check context after that - Bob: For example you need to know the Labels before read a table - Mike: A summit presentation on how to use parser code would good - Snippets of code would have to be shown - It might be interesting, and somewhat a sales pitch - Bob: We would have to find someone who knows the code well - It might be too technical for a summit - We have added error code numbers but that adds complexity - Mike: An application developer should be able to ignore the checker part - IBISCHK should be written as a example parser application - Currently it is more integrated than that - Bob: The checker is very exhaustive - The code is C, not C++ - Lex and yacc may have been used - This might not be a good topic for an Asia summit - Only Fujitsu might have bought the code there Mike: How can be make progress on the AMI checklist? - Eckhard: I presented on this in Naples - Only about a two page checklist is needed - Short descriptions should be on the pages - It could be similar to Greg's list, which was too close to Opal - Mike: The one line descriptions on Greg's list were hard to understand - Eckhard: Good, simple checks can be described in two lines - Bob: Eckhard could repeat the Naples presentation Next meetings: - Next meetings Sep 4 and Sep 18 - Meeting ended at 12:02 ET